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| SteveHayes_RB60 | Please join #BYOTchat in 5 minutes as we discuss CIPA, School Filters, over-blocking, educating students for the 21st Cent. & more! |
| TimeToKnow | RT @SteveHayes_RB60: Please join #BYOTchat in 5 minutes as we discuss CIPA, School Filters, over-blocking, educating students for the 21st Cent. & more! |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Welcome to #BYOTchat! Tonight, we are discussing the effects of internet filters on BYOT/D programs and education in general. #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | Hello everyone. Tonight’s #BYOTchat topic should be interesting -definitely a controversial conversation. |
| TimeToKnow | Some things I learned today: NYC has district-wide filtering for its public schools, controlled by DOE #BYOTchat |
| ZinkEd_u | We have district wide filtering, too. Stents and tchrs have different filters that can create difficulties planning a lesson. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | I’ve enjoyed reading “Dispelling Myths About Blocked Websites in Schools” MindShift http://t.co/cCOIZs5S #byotchat |
| SrtaLisa | A major benefit of BYOT is students learn the way that is most comfortable for themselves – filters will impede learning #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Broad sweeping filters do not allow for exceptions #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @SrtaLisa sometimes what’s “comfortable” to some kids can be inappropriate to others, don’t you agree? #byotchat |
| SrtaLisa | Last week met Cisco rep and heard how they differenciate the access based on device/user – interesting to hear the other side #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @ZinkEd_u What are those difficulties? #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | Teachers can submit requests to DOE to have sites added to whitelist, need to be approved by DOE, don’t know how/how long it takes #BYOTchat |
| SrtaLisa | @ZinkEd_u sometimes, but that does not mean it should be labeled as bad for everyone #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Here is the FCC website info – Children’s Internet Protection Act | http://t.co/i6ZZEbEZ http://t.co/Kv7ekcxO #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | Interestingly, Twitter accessible, Facebook, Youtube blocked, Vimeo allowed #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | The only penalty for non-compliance is the school loses E-Rate funding. Currently we’re not taking any. #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @SteveHayes_RB60 I find online tools that i have to check under students accounts first 2 make sure they work- waste of time #BYOTchat |
| TimeToKnow | @stevehayes_rb60 E-RATE requires a filter? If you don’t take any, does that mean you don’t have a filter? #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Mark E. Moran is going to join us for a short time “Understanding CIPA to Fight the Filter” http://t.co/pMfrW53i edo #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | Late to #byotchat, what is the topic? |
| findingDulcinea | @TimeToKnow How schools can make YouTube safely available: http://t.co/1IfQaVge #BYOTChat |
| TimeToKnow | @edu_thompson The internet filter and BYOT. #BYOTchat |
| TimeToKnow | RT @findingDulcinea: @TimeToKnow How schools can make YouTube safely available: http://t.co/1IfQaVge #BYOTChat |
| ZinkEd_u | @SrtaLisa true! I guess it can become a bigger, parent-involved issue when working with elementary students. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Welcome Mark @findingDulcinea Thanks for joining us! #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | RT @findingDulcinea: @TimeToKnow How schools can make YouTube safely available: http://t.co/6eSHGKhV #BYOTChat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Mark @findingDulcinea your slideshow http://t.co/pMfrW53i is great. What are the biggest misconceptions? #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | Our school district has finally differentiated filtering for teachers and students this year. It is changing instruction. #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @zinked_u @SteveHayes_RB60 That sounds like a big waste of time. I can’t even come up with a good justification for that set up #BYOTchat |
| ZinkEd_u | Here is appropriate image for our conversation.  at least for students in our system. http://t.co/PNSzkysv #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @byotnetwork @ZinkEd_u Tim, so you think differentiating between student/teacher devices is a good idea? #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Our school has a groups of iPads that we wanted to issue to Ss, but the school was afraid to let them go home unfiltered. #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | ‘@TimeToKnow @stevehayes_rb60 If no e-Rate, you don’t have to comply with CIPA. But, here are state laws: http://t.co/28TX8ALo #BYOTChat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Can teachers computers be unfiltered? #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | @SteveHayes_RB60 Biggest misconception is that filter must block any content that’s at all questionable. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Are schools liable if a student takes home a school-owned device and access inappropriate materials thru home internet? #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @SteveHayes_RB60 I would think not but it better be in your AUP #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @TimeToKnow @SteveHayes_RB60 I can’t understand it either. Are teachers more responsible than students? #BYOTChat |
| findingDulcinea | @SteveHayes_RB60 In reality, anything you must block, you wouldn’t want to use anyway; you’d be guilty of endangering minors. #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | Under CIPA, teachers can’t be unfiltered for adult sites, but can & should otherwise create their own filter. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @findingDulcinea I was expecting a lot more specifics from the FCC website, but the wording is very general #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @TimeToKnow @byotnetwork I guess it’s better than blocking for all, but I personally don’t understand the reason behind it. #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | Students can always find ways around the filter. That’s why the conversation has to be on responsible use not lock and block. #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @findingdulcinea @SteveHayes_RB60 But what about blocking social media? Twitter/Facebook can have questionable content #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Our tech guy is great, he will help us 24/7 #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | State Internet Filtering Laws http://t.co/g5eyxc8y #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | ‘@SteveHayes_RB60 In my view, the FCC hates this law and does not want to micro-manage content in schools. #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | Amen! RT @BYOTNetwork: Stdnts find ways around filter. That’s why the conversation has 2 be on responsible use not lock &block. #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | ‘@TimeToKnow The FCC clearly stated (see p 9 of my pressy) that schools NEED NOT block Facebook, MySpace, etc. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | We have to educate students to be responsible learners in the 21st Century. #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @BYOTNetwork I agree and more about digital citizenship. #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | And many techs, too! RT @SteveHayes_RB60: We have to educate students to be responsible learners in the 21st Century. #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | To get e-Rate, Schools are now REQUIRED to teach resp use of social media; how do they do that if it’s blocked? #BYOTChat |
| BYOTNetwork | Our district requires that students use our wifi network. Do any districts encourage students to use their unfiltered data plans? #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @BYOTNetwork Can you really enforce the student must use the school wifi rule? #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @findingdulcinea That’s got to be a big misconception. Do schools block SM b/c they think they have to or because they “should”? #BYOTchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @Edu_Thompson Yes! One great effect of BYOT is that the conversation of digital citizenship happens with their personal devices. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | RT@findingDulcinea: To get e-Rate, Schools are now REQUIRED to teach resp use of social media; how do they do that if its blocked? #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | My former school district blocks Twitter – they don’t want their teachers “wasting time” #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @stevehayes_rb60 @BYOTNetwork No way, not with data plans today. Tethering + laptop = easy workaround #BYOTchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 We know that it is almost impossible to enforce, but it puts us in compliance to offer filtered access. #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | ‘@TimeToKnow Admins who block social media don’t understand it or use it. They fear the unknown. They are failing their students. #BYOTChat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @BYOTNetwork that’s what I thought – do students realize that? #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @SteveHayes_RB60 How unfortunate, as I feel it is the best PD for myself, imagine what it could do for students. #byotchat |
| cybraryman1 | Before even using SM. Students, parents, teachers, admin should jointly set up AUPs http://t.co/4A80jAly & go over Dig Cit #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | I need to ask this Q again, Are schools liable if they send home a school ipad and the student accesses inapp. material at home? #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @Edu_Thompson Twitter has been a great source of PD for myself #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | ‘@SteveHayes_RB60 I struggle to imagine how schools could be liable, unless they pointed student in direction of that material. #BYOTChat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 It really is almost a non-issue with the teachers and students- most students are not trying to break rules. #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @findingDulcinea Its not just admin. We need to educate parents about positive effects of SM. Often parents “slow down” admin. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @findingDulcinea My thoughts too – it would be a point of access issue #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @byotnetwork @SteveHayes_RB60 Yeah, but STs don’t want “filtered access” and they can get around it. Admins fighting losing battle #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @BYOTNetwork And with unlimited data plans fading away – using the wifi makes sense #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | Filtering really only affects students who always follow the rules – the other students find a way around the filter. #byotchat |
| cybraryman1 | @ZinkEd_u Yes. Parents should have hands-on workshops with SM & tools their children use in school #BYOTchat |
| findingDulcinea | ‘@ZinkEd_u I agree – I would hope parents would press schools to innovate, but instead they’re an obstacle. #BYOTChat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Once again, everyone should bookmark Mark’s “Understanding CIPA to Fight the Filter” http://t.co/pMfrW53i #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Mark @findingDulcinea Do you have other online info available? #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @findingDulcinea parents who see benefits now pressure “falling behind” teachers in our school 2 implement BYOT. It’s a minshift! #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | ‘@SteveHayes_RB60 Everything I know about CIPA is in that Slideshare. But see: http://t.co/Krm77jhs AND http://t.co/wRLimDoE #BYOTchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @ZinkEd_u @findingDulcinea Right! We are beginning to have more pressure from parents to implement BYOT in our schools. #byotchat |
| 40ishoracle | Hi all. @jdferries is driving car,I am designated tweeter. Recommend Darth Vader music while rolling up on freshmen using proxies #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @40ishoracle @jdferries Welcome to #byotchat ! |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @40ishoracle Darth Vader music – lol #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @cybraryman1 Its powerful! We’re planning BYOT night for ALL parents. A showcase in which students will lead the presentations #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | I was in China last summer – filters 24/7 #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @ZinkEd_u I’m glad to see that the focus is shifting from just bring in devices to “What are you doing with devices?” #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @ZinkEd_u Are you still thinking about posting video of your parent night? #byotchat |
| Mike_Penta | RT @findingDulcinea: @ZinkEd_u I agree – I would hope parents would press schools to innovate, but instead theyre an obstacle. #BYOTChat |
| TimeToKnow | Does anyone feel like explaining Twitter to the uninitiated is really difficult? Distilling this down to a few inspiring words… #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | I hate to see schools block Google because of Google images or Dropbox because of file sharing … #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | …would be really helpful to getting people open to the idea of allowing SM in the classroom #BYOTchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @TimeToKnow It is but this is what I tell them http://t.co/ZDAHpqh5 #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @Mike_Penta 1parent at a time & change will come. I watch it’s happening in front of me with our 6 piloting classes. Contagious! #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | Tweets stopped because hotel filter detected a “network intrusion” & questionable activity. In other words, I was using Twitter. #BYOTChat |
| TimeToKnow | @byotnetwork Educators love Pinterest! I’ve read a lot about it lately. I really have to get in on it. #BYOTchat |
| findingDulcinea | @BYOTNetwork @ZinkEd_u @MIke_Penta – celebrate successes with tech – loudly. Make parents wonder “why isn’t my kid doing that?” #BYOTChat |
| ZinkEd_u | @SteveHayes_RB60 yes, sir! I am planning on it. Maybe @BYOTNetwork can film it for us, too . #byotchat |
| 40ishoracle | Returning from #mbs book forum. Discussed need 4 flex in pedagogy w/ changing modalities…filtering hinders personal learning. #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @TimeToKnow @byotnetwork I love pinterest and have been addicted for about a year. i can’t believe how fast it took off! #byotchat |
| newtechnetwork | RT @SteveHayes_RB60: Once again, everyone should bookmark Mark’s “Understanding CIPA to Fight the Filter” http://t.co/pMfrW53i #byotchat |
| 40ishoracle | Sad the hypocrisy of giving student a device to open the world & then block everything collaborative, communicative or interesting #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @BYOTNetwork I do everything I can to make tchrs see that we don’t need class sets of devices, we need meaningful instruction. #byotchat |
| SrtaLisa | @ZinkEd_u Sometimes it is easier to sell the district on not paying for class devices than telling the teachers that #BYOTchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @Edu_Thompson @TimeToKnow Pinterest is also blocked for students in our district – as well as Twitter, Facebook, & YouTube #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @40ishoracle And then students go home with complete, usually unsupervised, access and don’t know how to handle the responsiblity #byotchat |
| Sirotiak02 | RT @cybraryman1: @ZinkEd_u Yes. Parents should have hands-on workshops with SM & tools their children use in school #BYOTchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @TimeToKnow getting your district to use @yammer is a way to get teachers talking #byotchat my blog on it http://t.co/6of311cq |
| SrtaLisa | YouTube is a misunderstood/hastily judged tool – it has so much potential if students are taught responsible use for ed ##BYOTchat |
| TimeToKnow | @edu_thompson I read about Yammer a while back – should definitely consider using that here #BYOTchat thanks for the articles! |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | it would be hard to find a more conservative community than where I teach, but Facebook, Twitter, Youtube is not blocked #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @BYOTNetwork @TimeToKnow It is blocked for us too. I use it as PD like twitter at home. #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @BYOTNetwork @TimeToKnow @Pinterest needs an education only ponterest so students could do eportfolios etc #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @srtalisa Yeah, definitely – although now that they have YoutubeEDU, we should start seeing it being made more available #BYOTchat |
| findingDulcinea | @SrtaLisa YouTube has some incredible videos – but it’s also a cesspool; and the awful videos sometimes get “recommended.” #BYOTChat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Many of us have classroom Twitter and/or Facebook accounts #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | I hear good things about Yammer and Edmodo as substitutes for Twitter. BUT -can’t reach out to experts on Twitter. #BYOTChat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | As a Google school, we all have youtube accounts #byotchat |
| SrtaLisa | there should be an academic study of learning goals achieved with equal devices but limited access vs. broad access Internet #BYOTchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 Wow – I can’t imagine what it would mean to use those tools with students! #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @edu_thompson @BYOTNetwork Are we going to split all social media into “educational” and “non-educational” versions? #BYOTchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @SteveHayes_RB60 anyone use gaggle for email accounts? #byotchat |
| lostingreatbook | @BYOTNetwork absolutely. We don’t censor what kids do w/ pen & paper, we teach them how to write effectively. Computers are tools #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @TimeToKnow Its the most extreme brain activity I’v ever experienced! We can converse with many without raising our hand. #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @TimeToKnow @BYOTNetwork I am thinking it is going to be that way, like glogster and edu.glogster etc #byotchat I don’t see a way around it. |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | I like to use the Quietube browser extension when showing youtube videos http://t.co/HOKxu6SA #byotchat |
| SrtaLisa | @findingDulcinea a single click hides recommend videos – sts can watch embedded videos but are given limited access actual site #BYOTchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @SteveHayes_RB60 on an ipad you can use the app roadshow #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | I also like to use Movie Sherlock to download youtube videos #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @edu_thompson @BYOTNetwork I think at some point admins need to recognize SM’s value in class even if not explicitly edu-fied #BYOTchat |
| TimeToKnow | @edu_thompson @BYOTNetwork Splitting spaces just makes it easier for admins to not explore its full potential #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @Edu_Thompson thanks – I’ll check that out! #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @Edu_Thompson we don’t use gaggle – our student school email accounts are gmail accounts (with our domain name) #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | SM is a great way to communicate with parents – also students don’t use email #byotchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @TimeToKnow @BYOTNetwork agreed but being in a big district I also understand why they can’t #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Do any of your schools block itunes? #byotchat |
| 40ishoracle | Wasn’t admins that halted movement to unblock SM… Was the last stand for faculty control of access. Will try again next year #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @zinked_u That’s a pretty awesome description, actually. Mind if I use that? #BYOTchat |
| Edu_Thompson | @SteveHayes_RB60 Only admins have access #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @TimeToKnow absolutely. Isn’t that the point of sharing. #byotchat |
| findingDulcinea | @TimeToKnow @SteveHayes_RB60 The only reason my daughter uses email is to communicate with her teachers. NEVER with her friends. #BYOTChat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 @Edu_Thompson We are considering gmail accounts for all users in our district – still using Outlook & Exchange #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | email is for old people lol #byotchat |
| SrtaLisa | @SteveHayes_RB60 My school doesn’t block iTunes, but it throttles download speed, so its easier to have the sts download at home #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | #BYOTNetwork Are you a Google school? #byotchat |
| nathan_stevens | @SteveHayes_RB60 you know DL YouTube videos violates their terms of use. #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @SteveHayes_RB60 YES! I may live without Face Book access in elementary school, but not having iTunes is hard to deal with. #BYOTchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 We do – if schools buy iOS devices, they are on their own. They download apps at home. #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 We have course mail in the LMS – but we need student email so kids can get projects off their devices. #byotchat |
| ZinkEd_u | @SteveHayes_RB60 when everything else is blocked, email can be the only way to communicate! #BYOTChat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 We are not a Google school district yet. We have to get adults used to gmail and google calendar #byotchat |
| 40ishoracle | Thanks all for making the last 30 miles go fast. Back in Indy… Good night #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @nathan_stevens Please don’t turn me in! #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | @byotnetwork @SteveHayes_RB60 Email may not even be necessary if you just use GDocs or Dropbox to share #BYOTchat I guess its possible… |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | We’re trying to get our Ss to use their school email more often. We’re encouraging teachers to require it. #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @TimeToKnow @SteveHayes_RB60 Sorry – Dropbox is blocked in our district!  At least, for students… #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @BYOTNetwork I’m really glad we made the switch. I didn’t see the benefits at first. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Dropbox blocked? no! How about evernote? Is that blocked too? #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 Evernote is OK. Dropbox is more of a security issue. Students use the LMS for submitting work. #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @BYOTNetwork Students/Teachers could use DropItToMe #byotchat |
| BYOTNetwork | @SteveHayes_RB60 Thanks for another great #byotchat! |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Thank you everyone for joining us tonight, continue on if you want. I’m going home to join my family! I hope they missed me!! #byotchat |
| TimeToKnow | #BYOTchat ran late tonight – just don’t want to stop! Thanks to everyone for coming, and TY @findingdulcinea for sharing his knowledge |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Before I say goodnight – I want to congratulations Jeremy @MyTakeOnIt and his wife on the birth of their son! CONGRATS! #byotchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | @findingDulcinea Thank you so much for joining #BYOTchat tonight! |
| BYOTNetwork | @TimeToKnow @ZinkEd_u I think the differentiation is a good first step! #byotchat |
| DNTHS | RT @SteveHayes_RB60: Once again, everyone should bookmark Mark’s “Understanding CIPA to Fight the Filter” http://t.co/pMfrW53i #byotchat |
| jdferries | If u dont have a stylus, how can u take any notes? How can u take any notes if u dont have a stylus? Tear down the wall. #BYOTchat |
| SteveHayes_RB60 | Great #BYOTchat last night on the impact of School Filters on BYOT/D and Education. Archives will be posted on http://t.co/wDb50UYI |
| nathan_stevens | Mindmiester for iPAD is now free. It is a concept mapping app. http://t.co/1KXHjeTB #ipadchat #ipaded #edapps #mlearning #byotchat |